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  God. Jesus. Afterlife... what is the evidence?

  by refiners fire in

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  seems to be a lot of talk here today about afterlife.

  so..... there is no evidence of life after death.. point 1:.

  ever seen a dead body?.

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  refiners fire

  I think the Christian thing has just about outlived its usefullness,
  same with Muslims.There has to be a universal coming together in some form.This is the way things seem to be heading.
  I hold two possible theories at the present, only my personal inclinations,though, im not saying i absolutely believe them.
  first, that we have it ass about, that in fact existance as we know it is not the product of a controlling, PREPLANNING mind , but is rather something that started off at a very base level and is working
  UPWARD. Towards Godhood or total consciousness and integration.
  Things are ADVANCING toward betterment, not REGRESSING as Christians would tell you.In fact that God,and consciousness are expanding all the time.
  There is some evidence for this theory.
  Just as the New Testament was superior to the Old Testament method of dealing with fellow humans,so humanity is, currently, seeking a way to integrate the whole earth into oneness, discarding previous notions such as race seperation,inferiority of women, etc.

  Another theory is that We were consciously created by a preplanning entity.But this entity, in my opinion, would have to be far more patient, loving, tolerant, forgiving, etc than any current understanding of the Christian God.This theory has a nice feel to it(in my view) it is what I myself might do, if I were divine.
  Under this theory, holy books like the Bible, are not absolute truths but are reflections of mans search to know the mind of God.

  Of course, notice I offer only 2 theories. again, the old human trait of polarized thinking recurs. Something we really need to leave behind. I think.
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  I was wandering

  by wallaby jack in

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  excuse the waiting like nature of this post but i've been driving machinery for a few days wondering about stuff .. like why are mosquitos louder at night?

  and how does medicine know where to go?

  and why do ruthless dictators always wear really cheap illfitting sunglasses?

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  refiners fire

  Ah, youve been reading the writings of the master Benjamin Creme.
  Where is Maitreya appearing at the moment?
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  God. Jesus. Afterlife... what is the evidence?

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seems to be a lot of talk here today about afterlife.

  so..... there is no evidence of life after death.. point 1:.

  ever seen a dead body?.

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  refiners fire

  josephus mentions reincarnation.
  this seems an unlikely prospect.If souls are coming back again and again, learning spiritual lessons, where are these ascended persons?
  I look at children and see their greed and selfishness, not one of them is concerned for any other person except his own wants and desires.Where is there a single one who has learnt anything with regard to selflessness? Not one.
  Selflessness comes with age. The older you get the more selfless you get (i suppose).But when you die and return again you start the selfishness lesson again.Besides, how does it benefit you being reincarnated if you do not remember what you have learnt?
  I Just cant see the logic of it.
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  God. Jesus. Afterlife... what is the evidence?

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seems to be a lot of talk here today about afterlife.

  so..... there is no evidence of life after death.. point 1:.

  ever seen a dead body?.

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  refiners fire

  Josephus.
  The very foundation block of reality, the atom, it is constructed of parts that contain charges that are oppossed to each other.
  The Solar system holds in place by virtue of forces neutralizing each other. Gravity versus momentum. Result= stability.

  If God wanted youre love he would lay his hand upon you and cure your dislexia. What would it cost Him? Nothing. What would it benefit you?
  Heaps. If I could I would lay my hand upon you and cure your dislexia this very second. You would like me for that wouldnt you?
  But I wouldnt expect you to worship me for it.
  I would just be happy that I had made a fellow creatures life more joyous.
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  God. Jesus. Afterlife... what is the evidence?

  by refiners fire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seems to be a lot of talk here today about afterlife.

  so..... there is no evidence of life after death.. point 1:.

  ever seen a dead body?.

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  refiners fire

  Seems to be a lot of talk here today about afterlife. so....
  there is no evidence of life after death.

  point 1:
  Ever seen a dead body?
  I cant look upon a dead body and believe that person is anywhere except...GONE.
  My every instinct screams this conclusion.

  point 2:
  The notion of people growing, until they die, at which time they go consciously to heaven is contrary to the evidence.
  Creativity and mental powers DETERIORATE with age. They dont increase.My mother in law is 82 and is practically a mental vegetable, her powers of reason are GONE.Lost over the past 5 years.
  She is a shadow of her former self, if humans mentally grew in awareness, knowledge, and wisdom in preparation for heavenly life we would ascend at 45, or 50 years of age. not 90.
  Surely you see the probability of this reasoning being correct.

  point 3:
  "Faith". What an absurd notion.
  The supreme creator God of the universe conceals Himself from man, who seeks Him, because he wants them to desperately want Him, so badly, that they follow Him without even knowing he exists?
  Its ridiculous.
  Would YOU do that if you were the supreme creator?
  Course you wouldnt.
  Youd come down, ressurect dead children before the eyes of their weeping parents, and then the parents would be so joyous and gratefull that they would love you forever.
  Thats what any rational person would do.

  Point 4:
  Universal struggle between good and evil, i hear you say God cant reveal himself because we must choose between Good and Evil.
  Horsecrap.
  It is totally apparent that the nature of Physical reality is founded in contradiction and the principle of opposites.
  Physical reality exists because of oppossing forces in conflict with each other. If Satan And Jah actually exist then this entire physical reality MUST be a consequence of the struggle between them.
  More likely the concept of Jah versus Satan is a product of polarized thinking within the minds of creatures who live within this conflicted reality.

  point 5:
  Jesus as the "way"
  If Jesus is the way to heaven, the only way, this excludes China,
  and all asian culture, also the middle East and all Muslim culture from Gods grace. On a National basis .
  1 billion Chinese are excluded from Gods presence purely by virtue of having been born in a country that does not culturally accept Christ.
  This is rank racsism.
  I can never believe that the Supreme creator rejects Chinese by virtue of being Chinese.
  If anything at all, there must be multiple paths to God, incorporating Muslim, Christian and Buddhist belief. More likely is the probability that NONE of them are right.

  I have said enough.
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  The FDS and JWs

  by Defender in

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  a question that has haunted all of jws is that; if the society is not the fds, then who is?

  this is not only a question, but it is also an answer, an answer that most all jws would respond when someone points to them some of the society's problematic teachings or behaviour.. this topic has been dealt with on a number of occasions on this board and on others with very sound arguments that refuted the society's interpretation and application of jesus' parable.. while i was doing few chores at home this afternoon, i wondered on a couple of thoughts on this subject:.

  a faithful and discreet slave will feed the sheep only what christ had been feeding them himself.

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  refiners fire

  The amount of energy wasted wrangling over the Christ and existance of God question is amazing.Imagine how all the Christians arent going to feel when they die and find they go to...nowhere.
  They just cease to think and exist.
  What wasted lives.
  Imagine if they put all that energy into doing things in the real world,instead of buying browny points for a non existant eternity.
  Lord God. Anything could be achieved.

  (just got out of bed, feelin schizo).
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  You must agree. There is a simularity.

  by kpax in

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  you must agree.

  for those who doubt the picture.

  yes it's fake!

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  refiners fire

  the point is I laughed and laughed.
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  "WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL SLAVE"?

  by Bill Parker in

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  the bible!

  the things that are will be brought to nothing.

  is that really the way jehovah teaches today?

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  refiners fire

  If youre going to pontificate your precious little Biblical opinions in this forum you had better be prepared to argue the point.
  If you dont like what Im saying I recommend that you simply ignore me. Thats what I do.
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  Cornish Paganology

  by Celtic in

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  it would seem that there are many who upon leaving rigid and structured religion, end up taking an interest in becoming pagan.

  there are many misconceptions of just what it is that paganology stands for.. to find out more, maybe take a look at these two sites, and tour around, to see and experience, more than just a glimpse into the ancienct land, from which earth i come from.. spirit of place.

  cornish language studies.

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  refiners fire

  cannot respond. Ive taken my own council, felt duly guilty about ruining Celtics post,realized that i contradict myself ,resolved to cut him some slack in future, and pissed off...
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  "WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL SLAVE"?

  by Bill Parker in

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  2. friends

  the bible!

  the things that are will be brought to nothing.

  is that really the way jehovah teaches today?

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  refiners fire

  "They were not MY inserts"....

  Poor old Billy Miller, founder of Advent belief said the same thing.
  It was "popularly held belief", espoused by general Biblical authorities that the "sanctuary" of Daniel 8 verse 14 referred to the "Earth".Poor Billy was misled by preceeding Bible interpreters whose opinions had become "generally accepted' as fact.